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Anne Melanson: Creative in the agency
business is generally the copywriter and the art director.
They generally work as a team, one doing the copy, what
you would see as copy, and one doing the graphic or the
visual. I think the best teams work together, probably
know each other so well, that they're sort of interchangeable
in that sense. A good copywriter will have a good sense
of a visual, of what he or she wants to see, and a good
art director will have the same sense of copy. So, that's
just so we all understand what we're talking about. That's
the basic definition. There are other jobs in creative,
but they really all support the copywriter and the art
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Patty Enright: I think in terms
of someone like yourself, sitting out there saying, "do
I want to be an art director or copywriter or even go
into an agency to apply for that kind of job", you
have to be thinking about it really today. You can't graduate
in June and then say, I think I'm going to go talk to
one of the agencies represented as an art director candidate
or a copywriter candidate. You have to come prepared typically
with what we call a portfolio, which would include samples
of your work. You could be sitting saying, but I haven't
had a job yet, what kind of work would you be interesting
in seeing? Typically a copywriter, for example, will have
maybe worked for their school newspaper, published an
article, written something, been in creative writing classes
where some of their sample projects could be considered
portfolio items. Same thing on the art side. Possibly
even a class, an advertising class, where you had executed
a campaign. It's really to show where you're level of
creativity is coming from. In some cases basic skills
but for a very junior person, you have to really be thinking
about that a little early on and prepare yourself to go
in with sort of "this is what I can do for you"
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Rene Bruce: That's the way our agency
is. We have a creative manager, who hires all our creatives,
and he really doesn't even look at people without a book.
So, you need to get some work together, even if it means
taking additional courses at another school where you
can really get that experience. But that's the way we
work. I think entry level positions in creative are pretty
difficult, at least at Saatchi they're hard to come by.
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Anne Melanson: One of the things
that you can do is do a speculative portfolio, too. Take
an idea that you've had for a product or a service and
put together what you would think would be a good ad.
Let's say a print ad is usually easier to demonstrate.
I guess I would make a couple of points about trying to
get a job in the creative area. It is as you said, there
are fewer jobs in creative. I think we all hope that that
will change and that there will be more jobs. But right
now entry level jobs are significantly fewer than in account
management or media. Also, keep in mind that you will
meet different people. If you bring your book in, you've
put your book together, as Patty said, you bring it in
to see somebody and you may get a point of view from that
person that totally throws you and says, well, everything
I've done is terrible. You have to keep heart and you
have to plough ahead, because you'll meet other people,
and other people will have a different point of view.
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the nature of creative.
That's why agencies are different. That's why each of
our agencies is very, very different in the way they look
at creative and the way they look at clients and in the
way they actually do creative. So, my words to you would
be don't be discouraged because one person that you see
says the book is terrible, a bunch of crap, go back and
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Patty Enright: That same person
just got hired at my agency! It's true. It's absolutely
true. The other thing you can do also, if you're particularly
interested in creative, is go to a local restaurant, go
to a local retailer in your neighborhood around school,
and ask them. Ask them if they do any advertisements,
if they do local newspaper advertisements, even your school
paper. Look to do something around whatever the message
is. Those are things that you can collect for your book
and keep, and of course as you get more experience, and
let's assume that you guys are juniors, get an internship
if you can, even if it means being in place, in a creative
department, to see what goes on. That's an enormous, enormous
opportunity, not because you should be ever so ingratiated
to carry boards or whatever, but to be around that sort
of stimulus, to see what's going on, to see what's good
and what's not, to be around the individuals when they're
talking about what makes a good ad or what doesn't make
an ad, or to simply hang around in a new business pitch,
where you can see all kinds of thinking that goes into
what ultimately makes the client presentation. That's
all fantastic learning, particularly as it relates --
I mean, for any area -- but particularly creative. Because
you'll know better what kinds of things to start in your
portfolio and probably develop a little bit of a confidence
about bringing your book in and, as Anne said, I think,
taking the advice that you get and trying to learn from
it. |
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Anne Melanson: …you should
be able to answer questions, because you are going to
be getting questions from people that you talk to like,
"That looks great but what does it say?" "Why
did you do it?" "Why is it targeted to this
audience? It wouldn't seem to work there." So, you
need to be prepared to really answer those hard questions,
not just think it's a great idea because I paid attention
to it, and that's generally the mistake that I see. That's
something that's easily corrected. Here I think is where
you can get some guidance. If, as Patty said, when you're
developing that book even now, if you could talk to some
people in agencies as you're going along and get their
point of view, get their words of advice and they can
help guide you in this process, I think that would be
very helpful. |
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Angel Rivera: The two areas where
you might be able to have some immediate impact as a young
person out of school would be, I would say, in the direct
advertising area and in internet marketing, and ways in
which you can prepare yourself for that is maybe even
building your own web site or helping others build their
web site and using that as your portfolio. Of course,
internships are another opportunity. So, I would say even
banner ads, somehow getting involved in that through school.
Going to Fordham, if you're a Fordham student, go the
Fordham site and say, do you guys have a web site? If
not, can I help you build one? Or can I help you with
this kind of thing. That way you build up some of your
skills and you have some experience. The direct and internet
are two areas where a young person can come in and have
immediate impact. |
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